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The following fact sheet has been put together to shed some light on the events which led to the exclusion of 3 pilots, of which 2 |Kz| at the beginning of 2009. No uncertain amount of mis-information is circulating on the subject, which is why we have decided to put this fact sheet together.

The aim is not to persuade, only to relate the facts and to explain honestly what happened.
Why and How.

We do not expect any responses or any debate on this subject.
Each will determine what they make of it after having read it.

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PRELIMINARY INFORMATION

The |Kz| KamiKaze squadron was created in February 2002.
- Kz-Shibata was recruited in February 2006.
- Kz-Otsu was recruited in 2007.

The 343KKT squadron was created in November 2003.
- 343KKT_Tomio was recruited in January 2006.

*Note that these pilots joined squadrons which had been in existence, and were structured for some years.

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DISCUSSION AT THE RESTAURANT (February 2009)

In order to inform everyone on the mis-information circulated by some pilots of the 64s sq ( I say some, as it is about 3-4 pilots), I will tell you in detail the story of what happened before and after the instant expulsion of Kz-Otsu, Kz-Shibata, and 343KKT_Tomio.

As you might know, we used to go often to the restaurant (beginning of 2009 at the « Sapporo ») with Tomio and Shibata (the Parisian pilots, Otsu being in the Basque Country). These were enjoyable moments, when we would relive dogfights, talk of future plans, of everything and of nothing…
I had invited them to dinner at my house, and Shibata had kindly reciprocated, so we got on well and we trusted each other.

Everything was as usual, the meal had ended and we were all three of us in the street heading towards my scooter.
I put on my helmet, and, side by side, Tomio and Shibata start to say:

- "Yes, You know...Well, we’d like to discuss something with you....."
- "In fact we would like to regroup the Kz and 343KKT in a squadron to do COOPS missions....."

They were being very vague, and feeling things were remaining unsaid, I take my helmet off and tell them:"Let’s go talk about this in the nearest café!!!"

*Let’s remain positive, and call « clumsy » what could already be described as a small act of cowardice.

So, we find ourselves sat around a café table, I open my ears wide.
Tomio & Shibata reiterate their desire to regroup certain pilots of the Kz and 343KKT to create a 64s group just to play COOPs.

My reply is clear : "Listen, I don’t see the interest of creating a group just for COOPs, all you have to do is ask those who wish to do COOPs, as you do already, and group them following the dates of the different events.
What’s the point of finding another tag????"

... No answer ...

Shibata then changes the subject and mentions the fact that he would like to get rid of some Kz, some are not present enough, and some don’t have a good ability level, and this isn’t good for the elite in the squadron etc.....

I also replied clearly: "With regard to excluding Kz pilots, for the reasons you mentioned, it’s out of the question !
The Kz have always been a constraint-less group of pilots, it is above all a human adventure we are living and sharing.
I simply explain that some are retired, others married, others have exhausting jobs, not everyone can spend 4h a day on the game... And it’s out of the question to force them to.
Not everyone can be an elite fighter, some prefer to bomb, to each his talents and failings!!
The Kz have exited for 7 years and this solid base will not change!!!

... No reply ...

To come back to their 64s plan, I ask:
Will these pilots remain Kz and 343KKT?
This 64s tag is only for those who want to fly COOPs, right??

.... Yes, that right, at least, yes ... Euh ....No clear response ...Total blur ...

Finally, I tell them : right, listen boys, you write all this down and stick a POST in the DOJO Forum of the |Kz| so that all pilots are informed, and may debate this easily !!!

OK no problem !! (At last a clear response)

*This will NEVER be done!

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THE MOMENT OF REVELATION (February 2009)

I leave the café, and arriving home 5 mn away, I realise that all this was very blurry, and the attitudes rather unhealthy. No responses to my questions, I’m feeling uneasy ...
I therefore send the following message to Shibata on the forum:

Hi Shibata, I’d like to get some clear answers, as our earlier discussion still has areas I’m not clear about:

1 – What is the list of the Kz who wish to integrate the 64s ??
2 – Will these pilots remain Kz ???
3 – Are these pilots changing squadrons, therefore should we consider them as being no longer Kz ??
4 – Does this 64s squadron belong to a collective?
5 - On zeke, will these pilots stay Kz ?

Shibata’s answers are totally different to those he gave me at the café :
1 - Otsu, Yori, Shibata ...
2 – No, they will be 64s
3 – They will not be Kz anymore
4 – No collective
5 – No, they will be only members of the 64s

To say it otherwise, and more clearly, these pilots apparently want to leave the Kz and create a new squadron. If things had been said that way, it would have been simpler and more honest.

On my guard, I ask Otsu and Yori to confirm that they want to leave the |Kz| for the 64s group. Both pilots confirm it !

We then hear some troubling news via some Kz pilots.
Shibata, who is a |Kz| admin, took the liberty to send a message to certain |Kz| pilots inviting them to join their new 64s group.

We are now faced with a second, rather nasty, initiative that confirms the doubts I was having about the unfinished conversation in the café. Surprised, we are at this stage asking ourselves some serious questions about those two individuals (Kz-Shibata & 343KKT_Tomio) ,that we thought we knew.
What class, what maturity and what respect for others those two have just shown after years with the |Kz| !!!

We therefore decide, after an urgent meeting of the |Kz| ADMINS (Papago, Ryu and SaKai) to banish immediately from the forum the incriminated pilots : Shibata, Otsu and Tomio (343KKT) , the instigator of all this, as you will later understand. We also ban all 343KKT members, a precautionary measure, except 343KKT_Sakai in which I have confidence ( he’s come to my house, I know him). Yori was not banned; the explanation is at the bottom of the page.

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THE MIS-INFORMATION EFFORT (February 2009 until now)

Big trouble, all the new 64s (fired ex Kz) are now angry, and surprised, to have been banned (unbelievable!).... From then on, the 64s lie machine is started up, under the direction of our 2 main protagonists: Shibata and Tomio.

We do not know what they told their pilots, but it seems their story does not apparently match the reality of what happened. The most typical mouthpiece of this erroneous version is the spokesperson of the 64s, Takeshi.

Takeshi develops arguments on a version that was given to him, he was never present at the meal, or the conversation in the café and has not got the legitimacy to be a serious and objective party to this story. Takeshi is a new pilot, who has only been in the community for a brief period of time, and therefore only has a very limited knowledge of the protagonists and their story.

Let’s only mention one simple example :
He thinks, amongst many things, that the Kz cannot design a COOP (lol), when the fact is we have designed over 50 historical COOPs, and insured the good running of the "CPC" Pacific compil Campaign (with the GC1/4, TN, FV, 343KKT sq) and created a small COMPILO programme years ago.
We have been playing this game for 8 years. Without a doubt, there has been a « before » Takeshi, a « before » Shibata, a « before » Otsu and a «before »Tomio. These pilots thought the |Kz| existed thanks to them, fatal mistake!!
(Read Plato’s allegory of the Cavern)

Let’s keep going..
In this conflictual atmosphere, we |Kz| have invited the 64s 3 times to an audio meeting on TS to explain things. The aim was to clarify the situation, so that all may know what happened and allow the Kz and non-Kz to start again, on a better standing.

But no 64s participated....
Not one, even those who weren’t involved (those of the 343KKT that joined the 64s) had the intelligence to say to themselves: "I’m going to go to see what happened so I can make my own mind up on this bizarre mix-up ..."

Its obvious they had a lot to loose in getting their pilots to listen to what we had to say.... Admitting to the way things happened wasn’t very glorious for them ! Their absence confirmed the fact they were worried about this confrontation.

*A great number of Kz pilot can confirm this, as well as 343KKT_Sakai who was present.
A lot of pilots wanted to debate all this, and unfortunately this has not happened.
The absence of the second party has not played in their favour.

Takeshi’s answer was to invite us to debate this on the 343KKT forum.
A debate on a sensitive subject on a forum??

All the old pilots and Il2 squadrons, even of all online games, know well that it is useless! A sensitive debate on a FORUM always ends in the topic being blocked by admins, as the debate is reduced to a collection of useless copy-paste quotes, each camped on their positions.
Never was a polemic resolved in a FORUM.

Only an audio meeting can untangle the knots and shine a light on the lies.

*GCIII-6_Hartenstein Moderator of the IL2 UBI France forums confirmed it for me, adding it often ended with a ban for some of the participants.

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343KKT FORUM, ATTEMPTED STEAL (TOMIO) (Srping 2009)

One day, as we were playing on zeke_vs_wildcat with the Kz, we were alerted by 343KKT_Sakai who joins us on TS.
What a surprise to hear from 343KKT_Sakai how Tomio, to whom he had given admin rights to the 343 squadron website and forum, doesn’t want to give them up. Tomio wants even to get rid of the 343KKT forum to replace it with the 64s Forum.....
In asking for HELP 343KKT-Sakai gives the passwords of the database to Ryu and SaKai, elements that Tomio happily didn’t have, and asks us to give him his rights back and ban Tomio.

Astonished, we accomplish the work asked, put Tomio back to the rank of a ordinary pilot and re-establish 343KKT_Sakai’s admin rights. He thanks us effusively!!!!

We discover, in this manner, that Tomio had e-mailed the FTP domain to ask for a domain-name change, to go from the 343 to the 64e Sentai, and has asked what were the costs involved.

*343KKT_Sakai and his Host (regarding the mail) can confirm all this.

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PREVENTION, INFORMATION (Spring 2009 until now)

We inform friendly squadrons of what happened.
And then, another surprise, TASSIN of the ERF informs me that Shibata attempted to register with them in March 2009 with the pseudonym "Boyington".
Wary, they checked the person’s IP and found out it was that of Kz-Shibata. Then they formally identified him on Teamspeak !!!
The|Kz| group was not informed of this as the ERF thought Shibata was the leader of the |Kz|.
Had we known this, Shibata would have been kicked out of our squadron!

The answer given by Shibata to the ERF about this is edifying.
According to him, a Japanese friend who was playing at his house went to their website then connected to the ERF TS to register with them (a red squadron). All this came out during an incoherent and confused explanation.

I leave it to your good judgement.
Could he be taking us all for a bunch of idiots??

*ERF-TASSIN, ERF-LE SINGLER and ERF-BELZEBUTH can confirm all of this

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THE 343KKT CLASH (2007)

For now, let’s go back on the golden age of the 343KKT.
It is important to see what might have previously happened with Tomio to assess the man.
Via 343KKT_Sakai, we learned that Tomio had created some problems during a campaign with the FV and 343KKT, holding both inappropriate comments and not very respectable actions in-game.

Exasperated by the childish behaviour of Tomio, the 343KKT apologised for what had happened. The parties involved gave us access to all the PM’s mentioning this story (between Tomio and Tagomi, Tomio and Ugaki etc..). They make for rather appalling reading!

343KKT_Tagomi left the 343 to live in Canada (May 2007).

343KKT_Ugaki left the 343 immediately as he couldn’t bare Tomio any more (May 2007)

343KKT_Tachi left the 343 a little later, also due to Tomio (End of 2007)

343KKT_Yukio left the 343 later, also due to Tomio

*343KKT_Sakai, Tagomi, Ugaki, Tachi and Yukio can confirm.
They also confirm that Tomio was a pain.
The Kz only have knowledge of this since 2009 following our POST-KICK investigations.

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TOMIO’S "CHEAT-MOD" (End 2008)

Remember the end of 2008, as you know, it’s the time when Mods become fashionable ...
Well, Tomio brings to the Kz an element that will be the detonator for what happened later.

He brings to the Kz a MOD built by UF-Josse, in fact a MOD that allows for external views during a COOP after you have been shot down, to see others play. Rather intelligent and useful!

Only Tomio understands very quickly that there is a flaw in this MOD, and that it can be used on the ZEKE_VS_WILDCAT server after a simple change...... In this way, when we were playing on this server for the quality of the pilots and the FULL REAL difficulty, there is now a means to get external views, and fight illegally!!

Tomio gives this CHEAT-MOD first to OTSU and SHIBATA who he plays coops with. I hear of this during a meal at the restaurant and I ask to test it!!! Finally, Tomio kept this CHEAT-MOD well to himself, and gave it only to a few, suffering as he was not to be revered, not to be seen as a reference; he saw in this a means to finally gain recognition in this game.
ME,ME,ME, the ego of the man is apparent.

I tested this EXTERNAL MOD. Effectively, after ejecting, the MOD activates for the duration of the game and you can see everyone’s plane..... In short, it’s a MOD that used in that way becomes a CHEAT......

For those that are used to flying full –real, it’s not a CHEAT that is very useful in a dogfight, but very useful to detect where the enemy is (you put yourself on the enemy’s external view) !!! And this is why Tomio, Otsu and Shibata are going to use it!!!

These pilots were informed many times of our disagreement regarding the use of this CHEAT, but nothing will change their mind. We will see clearly in the Zeke_vs_Wildcat stats that they use it- the stats showing a qualitative leap.
The problem is that we are also close to the WOP admins, the administrators of Zekes and Spits.
Over the years, we have offered them a lot of ideas, now in place in the stats or the maps.
As such, it was unthinkable that we bring cheaters on the servers, especially if they came from our squadron!!!!!

For the record, during the winter of 2008-2009 Shibata, Otsu and Tomio are in the Kz’s sights. As Tomio isn’t part of the |Kz|, it’s not up to us to manage him, only he has an influence on Shibata – at that time a Kz Admin- and Shibata doesn’t notice. We first tried to alert Shibata on the subject, but he will stay inactive (a warning of his future attitude?).

Finally, to counter the CHEAT on the Zeke server, well, I gave the CHEAT MOD to Faust so he could, with his team, create an Anti-Cheat; an action for which we were greatly thanked. Obviously, I kept him informed of the fact that certain ex-Kz – now 64s- were using this CHEAT.

The fine detail in all this is that some Kz and some 343KKT didn’t even know the CHEAT existed. It’s probably still the case in the 64s Squadron, with the leaders keeping the Cheat to themselves to inflate their stats and their ego, and show they are better than their subordinates.

*UF-Josse indicated clearly to me that he was unaware of the illegal use of his MOD allowing for cheating in online dogfight servers.

*Faust can confirm that the |Kz| gave him this MOD so that he could build a counter measure.

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THE TRACK THAT ACCUSES TOMIO (August 2009)

So as to back up our accusations, I decide one day, on the Zekes server, to openly discuss the CHEAT with Tomio. Naturally I taped the whole conversation.
Here is the TRACK (to see). N.b. in French

>>>>>> Tomio the cheater (in french) <<<<<<

*FAUST , admin on Zekes, can confirm the genuine nature of the track, and the fact that it is me and Tomio speaking.

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THE REASONS FOR EXCLUDING THE PILOTS

For those who are wondering why the pilots we have been talking about were promptly excluded, here are clear answers :

TOMIO
- Diffusing and using a CHEAT on a full-real server
- Attempted theft of the 343KKT Forum
- Manipulation of a Kz Admin pilot (Shibata).
- Lies concerning the true reasons for the creation of the 64s
- Superiority complex and scorn for others

SHIBATA
- Diffusing and using a CHEAT on a full-real server
- Abuse and incorrect use of his admin status within the Kz
- Lies concerning the true reasons for the creation of the 64s
- Attempting to mask his registration with the ERF (red squadron)
- Superiority complex and scorn for other pilots in the squadron

OTSU (UFO)
- Diffusing and using a CHEAT on a full-real server
- Support for Tomio and Shibata.
- Insults and disrespect for the enemy on Zekes
- Plays red instead of blue and amuses himself by shooting his squad mates down

YORI for his part has never been excluded from the Kz, he decided to leave for the 64s where he wanted to play more Coops. It is his right and we respect it, his account was never deleted from the forum.

Let’s add that a lot of pilots have gone through the Kz and some went to other squadrons.
I’m thinking of Shoki, now part of the NN and who was never KICKED for the sole reason of wanting to leave (it would be ridiculous).
Same for Inazuma, same for Ota or Tsonaka etc ....

*ShoKi (future NN_Voltigeur), Inazuma (future BR44_Lovell) ou TsonaKa and others can confirm.

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THE 64s FORUM HACKED (Spring 2009 to ... )

After being excluded for a few weeks, Tanaka tells me the 64s Forum has been hacked. Apparently, someone was deleting the messages from their forum. Tongue in cheek I tell Tanaka, you’ll see, they will think it’s us doing it. Well, I wasn’t far off the mark, I was immediately accused (Sakai) of being the hacker!!

Shibata then contacted me to sort this out, and I told him it had nothing to do with me, or with the Kz.
So we took the opportunity to have dinner, which allowed us to speak to each other frankly in regards to all this!!!

He asked me technical questions about the hacking of their site, how to secure it etc… I recommended he contact his Host and put a complaint against the IP that was deleting the messages on the forum!!!!

Tomio continued, and still does, to accuse me, saying they have my IP or some such crap, another shining example of 64s mis-information.
I also have the IP of everybody, but I don’t accuse anyone of hacking the |Kz| site, based on fake screens (see later how easy it is to make believe with fake screenshots).

Still, I’d be curious to know who really did it!!

*Why have they never registered a complaint?
It would have been a serious way to find out who was the source of the hacking no? But it would also have been a means to prove the innocence of the one they have always accused of being the cause of all this: Kz-SaKai.

What a dilemma !

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THE HORROR SHOW (Summer 2009)

Their latest find : a HORROR SHOW, a compilation of insults the Kz have thrown at them, which only reflects their inability to turn over a new leaf....

These insults, proffered by the KZ are getting quite stale (start of 2009) and are, in part, a reaction to the illegal actions of U.F.O. (Otsu) on the Zeke server. Moreover, it’s more of a conflict between Otsu and Papago than one between the Kz and the 64s.

The dishonesty of the 64s lies in their use of screenshots without showing the context. It’s easy to take a sentence, an insult, in isolation without the context in which it was said, and then pose as a victim. I know what I’m talking about; I work in information (TV news).

Lets explain the context in which all this takes place :

Attcking the Kz when they take off, land, using air to ground rockets in an air to air role when it is FORBIDDEN in the serve rules….
All this on a daily basis… You shouldn’t be surprised to get insulted at some time, it’s only human!

*We have numerous tracks which confirm all this.

We all agree that in the end insults don’t achieve much, are even useless. But we also agree that it is dishonest to use faked screenshots. In fact, to find the truth, we asked the authors of the insults to confirm (or not) certain screenshots, and explain themselves. But there we found that some of those insults had never been said by those accused!

Therefore we have concluded that a number of screenshots – even if some are real- have been doctored. It’s shame that it’s got to this, manipulating screenshots to suit your point of view and claim to be a victim.
All you needed to do was keep authentic screenshots, no need to reinvent the wheel!

Once again, we are confronted to mis-information, the not-so-glorious weapon of last resort of the 64s. I work with images, and I can confirm that it’s extremely easy to create hundreds of fake screenshots. We tried it :

Look at this simple example :

(with spelling mistakes like in reality)

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64s and FAKE CALLSIGNS (Spring 2009 until now)

Here are the multitude of call signs used by the 64s : VF45_Joe, Gromit, <()^()>, PatCartier, Diabolo, VF45_Heinz, Nakapuf, Okha Baka and I’ve left some out !

We should mention that the 64sentai is a BLUE (JAPANESE) squadron.
Until this summer, a few of them connected under fake call signs on the red side to shoot at the |Kz| in the game (Otsu, Tomio, Shibata, Takeshi); some of them tired quickly of this.

Threats as well, you noticed.
To conclude, only U.F.O. and Tomio (sometimes) continue to want to shoot at the |Kz|.

In ten months U.F.O. (that’s 10 months) has only rarely flown in Zekes with his 64s-Otsu call sign..... His leisure (or rather pleasure) consists in hunting the |Kz| as if by revenge for his exclusion. He would be better off teaching his own 64s pilots to fly properly.

Lets have a look at his flight time as U.F.O. (36h by 15 Nov) and as Otsu (8h by 15 Nov). Rather amusing for a Japanese pilot, who when he was a |Kz| would fly nearly 100h a month in BLUE.

I’m sure U.F.O. would easily find other reasons to explain this.
Let’s remain positive, and give him the benefit of the doubt!! :)

We decided to try a simple in-game experiment with other |Kz|. The aim was to join whichever side U.F.O was on when we connected. In this way his desire to shoot at the |Kz| was frustrated (team kill) and he risked breaking server rules!

Look at the result :

*The above screen is made up of 5 screens as you can see. We naturally have the track to confirm the facts.

At first sight, you could say, well this bloke just doesn’t want to bomb, he simply wants to dogfight and that’s why he changes sides, nothing to do with the |Kz| !!!
It would be a sensible thing to believe if U.F.O/Otsu didn’t pursue this grotesque kind of behaviour only when the |Kz| are there, and at the precise times when the |Kz| are on, coincidence!!

Every time he joins a game we’re in, he joins as U.F.O., and each time we join a game where he’s in as Otsu, give him 5 mn and he’ll change his call sign! Obviously this has nothing to do with the number of players, lots of red or blue, his behaviour is the same!

*We have, obviously, numerous tracks confirming this

Let’s be clear, we are not judging U.F.O./Otsu on the simple fact that he flies blue or red, after all he can do what he wants ! We can all agree on that point.
What we are showing is that his desire to fly red since his exclusion is fed by the rancour he feels towards us.
The reason? Probably ill-conceived PRIDE

On this subject, we want to point out that the |Kz| have been and continue to be in recent years First (sometimes second) in the Squadron rankings on Zeke_vs_Wildcat. And this probably makes some pilots jealous, and that’s a shame. In any case, it’s not a poor, bitter pilot who will stop the war efforts of a whole group. We will continue to bomb, to dogfight, to win maps and fight on the Zeke_vs_Wildcat server, nothing will change a bit!

We can confirm his INFANTILE attitude is above all FUTILE.

17 november in the morning on Zeke:
He rushes to change his call sign to U.F.O. as he sees Papago and Hamaki

*Faust, ZEKE admin can confirm that he has had enough of this spat between the 64s and the Kz squadrons.
He qualified as ignominious some of U.F.O’s (Otsu) actions on Kz pilots, and the whole story as infantile.

*All regular pilots and squads on Zeke_vs_Wildcat can confirm.

To conclude, sincerely, we feel sad about all this as some were pilots with whom we had some really good times, at Ferté-alais, at the restaurant, at each other’s places or simply in-game!!!!

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TODAY (16 november 2009)

Today, this conflict has still not been resolved, at least on the 64s side (Tomio, Otsu, Takeshi) :

- UFO/Otsu or Tomio/ Major Bong, still use fake call signs on zekes, with their only aim to kill KZ pilots.

- Takeshi continues to spread the word of God (Tomio), convinced of the truthfulness of what he says.

- Shibata is totally overcome by the events.
We consider, by his attitude, that he is the only one of those mentioned who seems to have turned a page on all this. Hi energy seems (but nothing is certain) to be more focused on developing the 64s than attacking the |Kz| squadron. This does not excuse in any way his actions towards us.
We’ll note, however, his total incapacity to manage the two pilots who are determined to cause trouble with us.

We wish to remind people that only a few of the 64s pilots are mentioned in this fact sheet (the founding members) but that unfortunately the actions of a few are tainting the reputation of the whole group.
We are still surprised at the lack of curiosity shown by all the other members of the 64s.... No ex-343KKT (Takeo par ex) has ever asked questions, nor has looked for any other explanation than that preached by his group’s Gurus. ASTONISHING!

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As for the |Kz|, we turned over a new leaf 10 months ago, and we continue our war effort on our favourite server, Zeke_vs Wildcat.
In the end, we are only responding to the childish and futile attacks of the 64s, mainly by Tomio & Otsu.
"A bloody waste of time" will you say, and you’d be right!!!

Thanks to all.
Here is a clear cut, honest explanation of this whole business.
To counter any mis-information, we have tried to quote, for each chapter, the people which can witness facts and situations which have occurred. It is in this way that we will remain close to the TRUTH.

Now it’s up to you to make up your own mind!

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Let us repeat clearly that we are not waiting for answers, or any debate on the matter.
We consider this matter to be definitively closed.
We have limited the number of tracks and screens so as not to pollute the factsheet with too much data.

Thanks to all and Good Flying !
KamiKaze Squadron
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